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S001 E034 - UT, DPS Shuts Down Illegal Takeover By Marxists
In this week’s enticing episode of “Seeing Red,” hosts Andi Turner and Garrett Fulce discuss the various Marxist protests happening across the country, focusing on the University of Texas at Austin (UT). The discussion also spans the anticipated unrest at upcoming political conventions and the legal actions around Title IX.
The episode opens with a discussion on UT’s handling of protests related to the Palestine-Israel conflict and the ramifications of student activism on college careers. Andi and Garrett explore the motives, consequences, and roles of institutions during these protests. The conversation shifts toward predictions of left-wing activism’s impact on the Democratic National Convention, all framed within the context of America’s current political climate. The show concludes with thoughts on upcoming political matchups.
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Welcome to the CN Red podcast with Andy Turner and Garrett Fools checking up on Texas policies and politics, with some federal issues thrown in like the assault weapons ban, interest rate hikes. You get it, but it's mostly Texas, since we can't ignore the big stuff either. And now here are your hosts, andy Turner and Garrett Fools. Hosts Andy Turner and Garrett Foles.
Speaker 2:Hey, everybody, welcome back to this week's edition of Seeing Red. We are glad you have joined us. Thank you so much. If you are a new subscriber, whether it's a podcast or on the YouTube, we're glad to have you. And, for those that are returning, really appreciate you too. And to my friend in the North, who sounds like something out of Gods Game of Thrones, but to my friend in the North who reached out to us this week and had all kinds of input, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. We love you and we appreciate you and you know who you are. So, garrett, some really interesting things to talk about this week.
Speaker 3:Let's start with the hook them horns. Yeah, the hook them horns. Yeah. Ut had a lot going on this week. Obviously they had the Title IX stuff starting to come down last week. There have been a lot of free Palestine movements the Popular Union of Students, or whatever they call themselves for general protesting at UT against Israel, of all things, basically trying to get the university to divest, to boycott, divest and then ultimately sanction Israel. So the BDS movement has been around for a while. There have been protests all over the country for I feel like decades at this point for that particular movement. But this past week UT brought out the DPS had a larger protest than they had been having. They'd had about 13 since October 7th when Hamas invaded Israel and killed over a thousand civilians and ultimately starting this recent war between Hamas and Israel and the law of protests against Israel, which is odd, but he's existed forever. And there have been these protests where all over the country.
Speaker 3:So Harvard, columbia, yale, NYU, ucla a famous one at a small state school in California, cal Poly Humboldt. It used to be Cal State Humboldt, home of Bigfoot and all sorts of crypto creatures. Humboldt County is an interesting place. I had a roommate who lived there, so I know far more about Humboldt County than I would like to. Who live there. So I know far more about Humboldt County than I would like to, but I remember that it was known for its high incidence of Bigfoot sightings.
Speaker 3:So there've been things happening all over the all over the country. So at Columbia they've taken over a certain area and they've been. The university has been trying to negotiate with these, with these protesters, these which you know. There's trespassing, and then there's this squatting. So these squatters, and then you have the Cal State Humboldt or Cal Poly Humboldt. Now they have been taking over buildings and occupying the buildings and the footage out of those buildings is like they basically just gra everything to all to no end and they're key buildings. So the universities had to shut down. They had to shut down the university.
Speaker 2:basically there's no classes, no classes at least I, you know, I I am all about the first amendment, all about the right to free speech. I got no issues with college students expressing their viewpoints, but when the when the college says, okay, you want to organize a rally for or protest against, here are the rules of the college, you need to follow them. And what I'm reading now, and whatever what I've been reading, well, yeah, what I've been really reading really recently is some of these students who were arrested or suspended from school are now crying because this is going to follow them into the real world, because there is, you know, a record. And I'm like why did you not consider that before you went to this thing? Or did it just seem like a good idea at the time and you showed up, literally, I saw a video of nyu protest and the commentator was saying so what brings you here today? And they were literally like I don't know, we're from columbia and they said come support nyu, so that's why we're here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, no and that and that's and that's common. You talk to people. Actually, at a protest, most of the people are there just because it's a big event happening, right, and and their friends are there, right. People beget people. If you build it, they will come, type thing.
Speaker 2:Right. So the it's a good reason to skip class.
Speaker 3:Yeah Right, I've always loved those protests Like, oh, we're going to walk out of class. I was like why, yeah, why, most teachers aren't going to give you a pass for that the ones who do are going to pass you anyway, so nor should they, right I?
Speaker 2:mean that's not. That's not. That is not a common excused absence. You're sick, you've got a doctor's appointment, there's a family emergency, those are the things. But to participate voluntarily in a rally when you have a class, if I were the teacher I'd be like absent. And if some teachers count your absentees against your final grade, uh, my mother taught college. She did not, because if you weren't, her attitude was, if you weren't in her class, you weren't gonna pass. So she didn't. She took the college required her to take attendance, but she didn't count it against you because she didn't just teach from the textbook, she taught from real world experiences and lessons and if you weren't there you were out of luck, and I think that's great.
Speaker 3:Right. So all these protests at these other major institutions in other states, the ones that have gotten the most attention have been the ones where they've been able to occupy space. They've set up tents, They've taken over buildings etc. They were trying to do that at UT. So UT, they had a permit. So at UT, basically, the process is a student organization has to sponsor an event or certain types of things and you can do it for protests and it's pretty easy to do as long as you follow the institutional rules.
Speaker 3:Like you can't disturb the educational environment of others, you can't block egress, things like that. If you're going to do a parade, you have to get a special permit for that parade. It has to be during certain hours, whatever, Same as in town, which is called a time place and manner restriction, which is to say the government can restrict speech if it's viewpoint neutral. So you're not just willy-nilly saying you can't speak or you can speak. And if there is a reasonable what's called time place and manner restriction, which is to say you don't have to let a bunch of protesters onto a military base and block training if you're against the draft, you have to let a bunch of protesters onto a military base and block training if you're against the draft or you don't have to let protests into a classroom or something like that.
Speaker 3:So the university has had a long types of protests because of what happened during Vietnam. There was tons of Vietnam protests at UT. There's all sorts of fountains and trees and kind of raised beds that are put in place to mitigate how much where people can gather to do it. So now there's only a couple places where it's still feasible and one of those places is the six-pack or south lawn. Um, that's what they're calling it.
Speaker 3:They uh, no one's really called it south lawn and everyone called it the six-pack or the south mall, because you have the west mall, you're the east mall and you have the West Mall, the East Mall and you have the South Mall, which are basically these green areas that go off from the main tower at UT, and they had brought tents and were planning to occupy and they were stating it. So UT said, based off of your public statements, that you plan to violate rules, we are removing your permit, schools, we are removing your permit. And they brought in additional law enforcement help Because UT has PD, has its own police force, it's relatively small.
Speaker 2:Many colleges do now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and many private universities do, but UT's had one forever and it's relatively small. I mean, ut has a student population of like 50 or 60,000, which is a large school, but you know, an urban city of 50 or 60,000 people doesn't need that many cops, especially when all the felony investigations automatically get kicked to the Austin PD. So you know it's a relatively small force.
Speaker 2:And they asked for help from Austin PD and they asked for help from Texas DPSd and they asked for help from texas dps. Who did they ask apd I? I knew he was there.
Speaker 3:Okay, I mean, if you look at the photos, you lived in austin and if you went to ut you'd recognize all the different things. But yeah, apd was there. They have a very iconic um blue like on their shoulder thing, so you can tell they're APD officers, and then um DPS is an iconic like brown uniform.
Speaker 2:So so I think what I took away from all of these schools is you know, if you're going to participate in this and you're going to break the rules, you better be ready for the consequences you can't have. You can't go into these things and either break university rules or break the law and get yourself arrested and and expect to be like oh, but it was a protest and I was just first amendment. No, no, you can't shout fire in a crowded movie theater. There's a reason for that right. And, as you pointed out, you even need you know a permit to whether it's on college campus or in a town.
Speaker 2:I used to live in a little town and we would have a Christmas parade every year and they would shut down the major thoroughfare in and out of town between, like I don't know, six and nine o'clock or something like that thoroughfare in and out of town between, like I don't know, six and nine o'clock or something like that. And we, you had to go, the organizers had to go get a permit so that everybody was aware what was happening. And you know this something and everything could be planned for people would be safe, people could get, get around the town, go to get around campus. You know this something. The other thing but if you're going to break the rules, you don't show up for class, you get arrested.
Speaker 2:Austin or NYU police arrest you. Don't be crying to me, like do not be crying to me because I got no use for it. I support your right to feel how you feel, but you need to follow the rules for expressing that. But you need to follow the rules for expressing that. You don't get to run around downtown naked with a burning flag protesting, like that's not the rules, that's not how you do that.
Speaker 3:Well, you can protest how you want to protest. The speech itself isn't the issue. What you're talking about there isn't necessarily the speech that's at issue. It's the fact that you have a lit object and you're running around with something on fire. But if that is your form of protest, like let's say your flag says I just want to protest, but no.
Speaker 3:So the issue is you're right that they're breaking other laws in their protest. Sometimes you'll have laws, though, that are put in place to limit speech they call what's have a chilling effect. So we have to look and see if the law itself is particularly relevant, and there's always a form of civil disobedience, which is to challenge unjust laws. But you have to. Part of civil disobedience and challenging an unjust law, as was learned from the civil rights movement, is the acceptance of the consequences for violating the law.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 3:Like Martin Luther King and the other civil rights leaders, when they were in prison they knew they had violated the law. It was an unjust law and they wanted to fight it. And that was the point, right they they were accepting the consequences. And that's part of highlighting the injustice of a illiberal or unjust law like that's and that's part of it means you have to be willing to accept it. You're not really but the boo-hoo. The fact that it happened it's to go fight the law itself. So but ut really got in there and was um, didn't let people take, take over the, come on to that piece of property. So there are six main buildings in the college of liberal arts. They go down south from the tower towards the capital because there's a direct line of sight from the capital um to the ut tower. So there Tower, there's a straight line and there's no buildings between it. And then on the UT campus that's facilitated by the South Mall and that area is a green space. It's a great place to study.
Speaker 3:Finals or the last day of class is today, which is a Monday, and I believe finals start on Thursday. So this was all done the week before finals started. As classes are wrapping up some classes are doing would do like their final class time, because it didn't need to be a comprehensive like three-hour final, and so it's a really, when it comes to the educational environment. It was a very critical time for UT and for most colleges to do it at this time, and those are a lot of the government departments there, the history departments, spanish like Econ Coms no, coms is somewhere else.
Speaker 3:That area is like all the liberal arts majors, it's the home of the College of Liberal Arts, so there's a ton of stuff happening right there, a lot of students going for those types of finals at this time and those types of end-of-year things. And UT just didn't let them come in and they ended up having to arrest about 50-some-odd people and they were able to stop them from occupying the area. And people have criticized UT because they pushed everyone out, they removed all the tents and all those sorts of things and then they let people come back in because they weren't upset about people protesting in, because they weren't upset about people protesting, they were upset about people using amplified amplified uh, volume, uh, so like loudspeakers and disrupting classes which was disrupts, disrupting the environment and educational environment, and they were upset about people camping, trying to camp and occupy quote-un the area because they did not want people to.
Speaker 3:Once again, that is the heart of campus. If you occupy that area, you shut down the College of Liberal Arts, which is like 30 or some odd percent of the university, and they weren't going to let that happen. They just weren't going to do it and they had the backing of the state government, unlike other places where you don't have it, because they definitely don't have the backing of the state government, unlike other places where you don't have it, because they definitely don't have the backing of the city. All of those protesters, I think every single one, had their charges dropped, even though they're on video refusing a dispersal order In Austin. Yeah, because DA Garza, who is under his own issue right now with people seeking to remove him for not um, pursuing certain charges certain exactly and now he and now he's not doing it because there wasn't enough information in the affidavit and the affidavit said we're told to disperse. It was given a lawful disbursement order and refused.
Speaker 3:Well, what else do you need? Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know. Plus, everything's on video. So I don't, I don't, I don't really understand that element. I'm not a prosecutor. Maybe someone could say, oh, those affidavits weren't good enough, but they're not even pursuing the criminal trespass issues which were present. So UT Austin still has yet to have issues and a lot of people are not at campus regularly. Starting today, this is the last day of class.
Speaker 2:Which? Why this week?
Speaker 3:yeah, so ut they can occupy, start occupying stuff. That just won't be nearly as many people who are based in austin, because people will be going home for the summer. People are graduating, new students aren't coming in yet, all sorts of stuff and uh, I think ut handled it well. There's some been a lot of been a lot of people talking about oh, we shouldn't have brought it in, it was peaceful, whatever. They just they did what in?
Speaker 3:they shouldn't have brought the state troopers in. Uh, they're upset that they didn't let the, the students rage and I, and I gotta tell you, gotta tell you, they're playing with fire. I've been to yes, they are. I've been to a ton of protests covering them. Like I'm not a journalist, I was a political operative. Part of my job was to go to certain types of events, depending on who was speaking at them, to record their speeches so that we could use it against them. Um, whenever they said research.
Speaker 2:It was opposition research yeah.
Speaker 3:So I was at the DNC in 2016. And what you won't realize is Democrats will often go to the Republican National Convention and do what are called bracketing events, which is basically they're trying to get into the news stories that are going to be covered to give their spin on whatever's happening. So I was at the RNC in 2016 covering Democrats who were speaking. I did the stuff at DNC in 2016. The RNC in 2016, covering Democrats who were speaking. I did the stuff at DNC in 2016. Rnc was relatively calm. There was some stuff. There was some Code Pink did some things, peta did some things, but it was normal just getting into new stuff. They weren't particularly interesting. The DNC was nuts. Particularly interesting. The dnc was was nuts. And what happens at the dnc historically is you have the far left come out to try and protest for whatever their cause is to democrats and they all end up what happens? What happens is you have a secure area. You have the convention hall or stadium or wherever this is happening, and then around that, a certain perimeter is wall. There is a large fence, security fence that the secret service puts up because it's a massive target. Right and outside of that, there are areas that are called the free speech zone. Now, there's free speech everywhere, but this is the zone where it's closest to it, where they specifically say this is gonna be the closest to it. You'll be able to yell at some people, but you really can't throw things at them and it's relatively safe. That's called assault, but okay, right, but like they're trying to both allow people to have the speech without allowing them the opportunity to commit an assault, they're trying to prevent it. Right, you can get into the pros and cons of a free speech zone. All it's. All zones are free speech, whatever. But, um, so they have the free speech zone.
Speaker 3:That place got nutty. First off it smelled terrible, but you had people burning american flags. You have people. Um, you had a proto antifa, so before antifa it was just the anarchists. Um, they would go around in their masks and they're all the black and they would like a few times they would just get into a room of people or not room of people, like there'd be like a mass of people, like chanting or whatever, and they would run to the middle and they would just start yelling bomb and then they would start dispersing to try and get a panic to start and try to get things to happen. Yeah, yeah, no, it's nuts um, it's crazy.
Speaker 3:Wait, how can?
Speaker 2:you yell bomb and like not go to jail.
Speaker 3:Well, they ran away really fast. That was part of the whole thing.
Speaker 2:But there was no video, so you can't be mad at us. Oh, there was video.
Speaker 3:But it was dark and they were all black and had a black mask on. But also fun fact about that you can't yell.
Speaker 3:I'm going to go on a tangent here. Fun fact about that you can't yell. I'm going to go on a tangent here. The line from that Supreme Court case where you can't yell fire in a theater was about handing out literature by socialists. That was anti-draft and it was used to justify limiting it and it was ultimately overturned. So it's not case law anymore and the fire that they were talking about was not was telling people that they shouldn't a socialist. They can't tell people not to to burn their draft cards.
Speaker 2:so I I hesitate to use that example going forward if I were you but it's just sort of a metaphor that's commonly known, so I use it because I gotcha really if it really shouting fire in a crowded movie theater isn't so much a first amendment issue as it is inciting a riot because people are going to right it you know it's imminent.
Speaker 3:it's imminent lawful action uh, you have to for a speech to be considered not protected, so covered all that stuff I expect. Listen, there's some stuff on the right. Right now We've obviously seen some right-wing protests get out of hand on the far far right um over the past few years, but there's a lot happening.
Speaker 3:In these pro-palestine protests like the, the call to action for the ut, one use all sorts of wrong nomenclature for different areas of the campus. They called everyone. I mean it was written by somebody that had very loose affiliations with the university. At best.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And was coded and dog whistled towards communists, hence the use of the term. Comrades Like this is a Marxist movement. It is a facade, because you end up seeing all these things like queers for palestine, where if there were queers in palestine that were open, they'd be killed. I think the only people that palestinians hate more than israelis are probably queer folk it's just alternative lifestyle people any alternative lifestyle, and not necessarily in Austin.
Speaker 2:I don't remember where what video I saw, but there were folks who have alternative lifestyles and they were protesting. You know Israel and being pro-Palestine, and it's like I don't understand. This group hates you and would like to see you dead. If you went to Palestine, they would kill you, so why on earth would you go to a protest to support them? I'm having trouble wrapping my head around that. And, by the way, guys, if anybody's got the answer to that one, please leave it in the comments, because I really would like to know the other side.
Speaker 3:Like, even if I don't agree with it, I'd like to know the other side of it, using the pro-Palestine argument or argumentation to glom on to just a general anti or general leftist just protesting. Because when I was covering stuff eight years ago now, like the big issues were basically environmental, like don't build pipelines, some union stuff, some $15 minimum wage stuff. That was really what like animated the left. For the most part, those were the issues that were pushing things forward, plus your typical gender pay things like that.
Speaker 2:Gender equity yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, that was what those protests were about. There wasn't a lot behind them because most things were. You know, it was what it was. Right now, the left is very, very, very angry generally at Joe Biden and they're doing what they're going to act out. I think we're going to see listen 1968, famous DNC riot probably the last major riot at a public convention happened in Chicago.
Speaker 3:This year's DNC is in Chicago. We're going to see violence at the DNC this year. I would bet money on it because they're agitating and it's like you said, it's nonsensical. The coalition they formed unless you look at it as this is a leftist movement of communists and diehard socialists, which are just communists in waiting, and they are moving towards that type of that type of uh protest. So I think that they're all going to get together. The rnc won't be as bad and those will be there will. Theirs will be first this. I think there's this first this year and it'll be fine because it's trump. People will be pissed, whatever, but they're going to get geared up and they're going to be hot. They're going to be're going to get geared up and they're going to be hot. They're going to be in Chicago in the summertime and we're going to see. I think we're going to see what we saw in 1968 again. Now they don't have a Democrat governor, I mean sorry, they have a Democrat governor. They have a Democrat mayor. They've defunded the police.
Speaker 3:They've um oh, cashless bond you know, the whole nine yards and so so, like, what's going to happen when you don't have what's going to happen? I don't know, but I think you're going to see major protests, you're going to see major issues at the dnc, and I don't think it's going to look particularly well to the rest of america, um, when it happens. But we're getting ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 2:Well, a particular large city mayor, during a set of riots you know, basically was like oh, we need to give them space to destroy. And I was just like, are you kidding me with this? They are destroying other people's property and city property which has been paid for by taxpayer dollars, and you want to give them room to destroy more. And I believe that made national news, though I was local at the time, but I was completely and utterly shocked by such a statement. So I wonder if we're going to see the same sort of thing in chicago I don't know, but I I think, I think we were going.
Speaker 3:We're going to see something. Um, just based off how this stuff is starting to happen we're a few months out things are going to get hot. It really depends on if anything else kicks, keeps the momentum going. But it's a presidential election year and things something usually does, like Ferguson was happening in 2012 or 2014.
Speaker 2:I'm trying now I'm trying to remember 2012,. I was in Tampa. No, it was 2014.
Speaker 3:But, like you had all the BLM riots in 2020, during that kind of time frame, things are going to start getting hot and things are going to start going a little kooky and I think right now, if the way it goes, it's going to go that way. But we're seeing violence. We're seeing that sort of vandalism in Texasxas too, just a little bit more limited. I mean, congressman john carter had one of his offices vandalized in georgetown I saw that I saw that georgetown is fairly it's.
Speaker 3:Georgetown is fairly conservative because it has sun city in it.
Speaker 2:Okay so georgetown is in dc and no, no, no no, no, georgetown texas, this is Georgetown. Oh, oh, oh, oh. So north of Austin?
Speaker 3:Okay, none of the Congress people have their offices in Georgetown.
Speaker 2:I thought that was Georgetown in DC when I saw the picture.
Speaker 3:No no, he's going to have a building in Canaan or whatever. He's not going to have another office in DC. No, it's Georgetown, texas. He represents Williamson County and he had his things. He voted for funding for Israel and he had red paint looking at blood painted Free Gaza all over his office. That sort of things are happening and Garza is. I mean, this is a different county, but Garza is refusing to prosecute. These liberal prosecutors are failing to prosecute these people. Lock them up or whatever. When you here's the thing, if you're in your 20s, it was most likely when you're gonna be protesting, the overwhelming majority of people who are going to be committing the crimes are going to be. This can be a relatively small number of people. It's just the general criminal theory behind it is most people. Most crimes are committed by a very small amount of people.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And they typically are men between the ages of like 15 and 30. So there's a lot of wisdom about locking those folks up if they're going to be those high-capacity criminals, and the guards is doing nothing to limit them and that's why we've seen I believe we've seen such large spikes of criminal activity in major metros as policies before were capturing those individuals and removing them from society for a limited time.
Speaker 2:And you and I talk offline all the time and I always, you know, and I talk offline all the time and I always.
Speaker 2:You know the reference that I use is somewhere between five and 10% of any group of people are just delulu. They're crazy. Um, and and, and. So I, I I call it the 7% rule, and so 7% of any community are, you know way, you know, on one side and you can't tell them anything. And I don't care if it's a college campus, I don't care, I guarantee everybody watching this has at least one family member. Maybe it's a cousin or a second cousin, and it's just a little odd. So you know and, and and it doesn't matter, it's it's like, but teachers, there are teachers who are, you know, a little, I don't know, ridiculous from for my taste, but they make the rest of them look bad. You know and, and, and, so you know you could have the. I mean, I was involved with setting up, uh, tea party rallies, um, a few years ago, um, taxed enough already yeah, and and so we were very clear with everybody and everybody got a handout, you know, of.
Speaker 2:You know, don't do this, do this, don't do this. And, by the way, here are the speakers. And you know there was always. You know, don't do this, do this, don't do this. And, by the way, here are the speakers, and you know there was always somebody that and, and I was, and I, you know, if I was in charge, the police would come to me and say, cause I was working out of the Capitol and and, but if any rally I've ever organized, the police would come to me and say, um person with you and, generally speaking, no, it's some guy that just showed up, or I think once it was a woman, but so I don't want to say always a guy, but generally speaking, it is a guy, it is a male, and they're around the bend.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'll put that well what I think is interesting is we've not some general condemnation out of this from kind of the defend Texas liberty folks. The guys who focus on it Most of the Republican hits on the Democrats are coming from the normies, normies, um, but like the dtl folks are having a hard time, I think, justifying it, or they know they're just gonna get whacked again with the fact that they had that meeting with fuentes, because you can't really go after the pro-palestine, anti-israel people when you're have that on your record. So we're not really seeing as much out of it as you'd like to, which is crazy, because this is going to be a big issue that Republicans can hit Democrats on for being looney tunes. We're just not using it. I will give credit where credit's due Mitch Little, who's the GOP nominee now. He won his primary. He's been great on this issue so far, on X or whatever. Just talking about that.
Speaker 3:These folks should be punished, and you know the speech. It's not the speech itself necessarily. That's the issue. It's that their actions are problematic. You know he's taking he's and he's like saying, like you know, we should be pro-Israel, all this other stuff which is you know, I believe we should as well. So kudos to him on that, on this issue in particular.
Speaker 3:I just wanted to throw that out there Cause I don't want to see things like we're always hitting these folks credit where credit's due, but if we don't, this is something where I don't think most of the DTL candidates are really gearing up for this, because they don't think most of the DTL candidates are really gearing up for this because they don't really care about going after Democrats as much.
Speaker 3:But this is a unifying issue for Republicans. If they can at least help unify the party and say, hey, we don't like these Democrats either. Let's do that, especially once the runoffs are over, so that we can go through and win in november. Because there's a lot of folks both normie and um dtl backed that are in marginal districts. We're gonna need all republicans to turn out for them, whether it's angie chin button or morgan meyer up in the dallas area or mark la hood uh down in san an Antonio. Like these are folks that are going to need are in districts that are an issue. You also have the district, the congressional district 23, where Gonzalez and Herrera are going at it. Well, if Gonzalez loses that, herrera's going to have a hard time winning that district in the general, but regardless, people are going to need to come together because that's a marginal district.
Speaker 2:And if we're not coming together, then the party is just going to fracture and you can just turn Texas blue again. People need to realize that you can disagree with somebody and we've talked about this before but it doesn't matter what the issue is. If you are pro-Palestine and I am pro-Israel, you have the right to your opinion and I support your right to talk about your opinion. I am not in agreement with you. However, I support your right to speak your opinion in a lawful manner. Don't you know, start a riot? Don't you know? Whatever, we don't have to agree on everything. We have to agree on most things in order to be Republicans.
Speaker 2:So I'm not going to sit here and throw pro-Palestine people and oh they're, you know. I mean, you hear it all over Twitter and Facebook and you know they're calling them names and it's like look and Facebook, and you know they're calling them names and it's like look, I don't agree with you, but you, you do you. Okay, I'm, I'm moving on and I'm talking about my viewpoint and I'm not going to fight with you about it. I'm, it's just, we need to get along or we're going to lose seats. We're going to lose seats federally. We're going to lose seats in Austin, and at some point, civility needs to reign.
Speaker 3:Well, I don't think we're quite to that point yet. Let's follow up on some stories that we covered a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 3:Ken Paxton seems to be filing a lawsuit against the Title IX changes, which, once again, I really wish a different state would take lead on it, because I would like it for the rights cause to win, and I don't think Paxton and his current crop of D-list attorneys are up for the challenge. But people are talking about a possible matchup against John Cornyn. Yeah, I read about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Cornyn, yeah, I read about that and Cornyn's like I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 3:He shouldn't be at this point. I think if he wins the leadership challenge and Trump wins the presidency, then Trump will ultimately back Cornyn, Not Paxton Cornyn. Trump will back Cornyn Regardless. I don't think Cornyn's dependent on a Trump endorsement, but if he got it, Paxton would just lose.
Speaker 2:Let me just say if former President Trump chooses to endorse, I can speak occasionally If he chooses to endorse, Senator. John Cornyn. The 2A community is going to lose their collective minds.
Speaker 3:But Trump doesn't care about that kind of thing, he just cares about.
Speaker 2:He's going to need them. He's going to need them.
Speaker 3:Cornyn's been in leadership in the Senate for a while and making that machine run is a task that few are up to and, depending on how stuff breaks out, you're going to need folks to. Cornyn will be somebody who can do it. He's one of the folks who can do it. He's one of the folks who can do it. So if he's able to win the leadership position and I guess he'll probably be in December, late November, early December then I think he'll be fine going into the next primary. But it's too early to tell.
Speaker 2:It also depends on if we're still in the majority.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm not saying he'd be majority leader, because in the minority it's a disability of leadership generally, but I don't. Paxton is riding high on the hog right now is riding high on the hog right now. I do not know how well he'll stand up to the buzzsaw that is John Cornyn campaign. John Cornyn is particularly in his campaign are pretty, pretty good. I mean, they're very good. So I don't know if he'll be able to withstand that sort of pressure. He hasn't had a like Paxton, not Paxton. George P Bush's campaign was run fairly well but it wasn't like out of this world done well and I think Cornyn will like as the incumbent, cornyn versus and Cornyn's name isn't George Bush. So I think Cornyn running. Obviously we're more than two years out. Anything can happen, but at this point I just don't see Paxton beating Cornyn head-to-head.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I mean so if they have to choose. So I mean I can. I feel like I can speak to generally the, the second amendment crowd. I cannot speak generally to other coalitions within the republican party, but the crowd, not fans, and they are very loud. So and they still haven't forgiven him for the. What is it? Safer communities, bipartisan obligat. And now recently Cornyn has discovered, oh gee, there's some problems with this and so now he's trying to fix it and it's like like we told you this. But anyway, so I I just ken paxton is. I can't think of a reason for the 2a community to dislike him and come out against him. Um, I don't know what the NRA will do, although I would think they would tend to. They tend to endorse the one that's already in the seat because they have a record, but with Ken Paxton being AG, that may be a bit of a tricky wicket for them. So I don't know, we'll yeah we'll see, uh.
Speaker 3:And then also, it looks like caitlin clark is going to make a lot of money from an endorsement deal, which is what I think we talked about. But I mean, wmba doesn't make enough very much money, uh, and loses money, so it was 90 right, yeah, I just have I just have endorsement deal right now, but it was yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:Uh, anyway, it was a sneaker company, but I think it was nike, and I was like so thrilled when I read this. I was like, you know, because she deserves, she's a very talented player and she wants to go play for the wmba and I'm delighted that somebody came to her and is going to make, you know, is going to hold her up, as you know, this amazing athlete that she is. So it's good for women, it's good for women's basketball, it's good for women's sports. It's a win, win, win, win, win, win.
Speaker 3:And you know, caitlin, so I think that's all we got for this week, but we'll be back next wednesday, unless more crazy news drops and we have to come up a little bit early. But we'll see you next week. Thank you so much for joining us. Don't forget. Look down the bottom of the screen. You can find our twitter handles for our personal, for the account you know. Send us an email, all that fun stuff. Get in contact with us.
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Speaker 3:Yeah, we'd appreciate it. So thank you so much. We'll see you next week. Y'all have a good one. Bye guys.
Speaker 2:Bye guys.
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